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not agree to some higher tax rates for the wealthy, the nation will go over the fiscal cliff, and the american people will hold them responsible. democrats also take issue with the proposal's spending cuts to medicare and social security. republican counter that tough cuts are needed to tackle the soaring debt, leaving washington locked in a stalemate, less than a month before every american sees their taxes shoot up. the gridlock has irritated people outside washington, like deborah page of arlington, texas. >> if i was working the way the president and congress was working, i would probably lose my job. >> reporter: page started a petition that would cease paychecks and health benefits for all members of congress and president obama if they can't avoid the fiscal cliff. the petition's chances are slim. but it's a reflection of americans' frustration with 28 days left. rob and paula? >> tahman bradley live in washington today. thank you, tahman. >>> and as talks over the fiscal cliff drag on, a new poll finds that most americans do not think very highly of congress. one in t
was that the majority of americans agreed with president obama's vision of one of the ways to fix the fiscal cliff had to be to put new revenues and raise the tax rates of the wealthiest americans. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: so taking this case to the american people fighting strong, making his own case which he we've been asking him to do for four straight years. my reaction was this. >> flabbergasted. [ laughing ] >> cenk: what's your reaction. >> slightly flabbergasted because this is not how the president has worked before. he ran with a grassroots in 2008. we tried to recreate that, talked about the ground game in the campaign in 2012. he's taking a grassroots campaign to politics, which is what progressives have been begging him to do now for a while. it seems to be working. all the hash tags and all the my 2 k has tags has gotten up to 13,000 tweets per hour. not every one of them is, hey great idea, mr. president. a lot of them are coming from people who are conservatives saying whatever it is that they're saying. the point is he's in touch with the people. he's not living in a cocoon like he
% of americans are likely to blame republicans and just 27% the president if they don't agree on a fiscal cliff. we know that after the election, 60% of people said let's raise taxes on the wealthiest. what more does john boehner need? >> i don't understand the republicans' thinking on this. i really don't. this is power politics. they don't have the leverage in this situation. if they don't cut a deal within the next 30 days, you're going to see tax rates rise on all americans. you're going to see huge cuts in the defense budget. we're probably going to have a double dip recession, and until the congress then gets its act together to fix it and lower rates on the middle class, you will have the republicans essentially responsible for raising tax rates on the middle class. i can't imagine, again, bill krystal said this yesterday. i can't imagine why the republicans would want to be known as raising tacks xes on t middle class. >> thank you both. next, the president reacts to speaker boehner. stay with us. this is sheldon, whose long dy setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice
president obama has seen these polls. so if there is a fiscal cliff and we go over it, the american public are likely to blame the republicans. >> well, that's absolutely true, piers. we've had an election and the clearest debate and the clearest difference in that election was over the question of whether the rich should pay more and tax rates should go up on the rich. everybody who paid any attention at all knows that the top 2% are now taking home a larger share of total income and wealth in this country than they have in over 80 years and are paying the lowest effective tax rate they paid in over a half a century. we also have a looming budget deficit. so you don't have to really be a rocket scientist to understand that the rich do have to pay more. taxes do have to be raised on the rich and i think that's why over 60% of the public in these polls are not only supportive of a tax increase on the rich, but also will blame the republicans if we go over the fiscal cliff. and this gives frankly, this gives the white house and this gives the obama administration much more bargaining leverag
for the wealthy and quote, sticks the middle class with the bill. so with 29 days to go until the fiscal cliff, what would it take to get a deal? joining me now, men on opposite sides, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform and robert reish, former secretary of labor for president bill clinton and the author of "beyond outrage." none of the three of us are beyond outrage, grover norquist, which is why i keep having you back. the situation it seems to me as an impartial observer here is that both sides have now made fairly ludicrous offers that they know the other side is never going to accept in a million years. that does beg the question, grover, why bother, given that both sides know where they need to move, why the games? >> well, it's not clear that both sides know. the week after the election, president obama was asked do you have to have the higher rates or could we have deductions and credits and he said he was open to negotiations. three weeks later, after thanksgiving, he shows up and all of a sudden there's a line in the sand on rates that had come out of nowhere, so
. the slow drag of the end of the fiscal cliff, most parties would like americans to think that they have political parachutes but neither democrats or republicans want to take that plunge. how to achieve a center, bob casey is joining me. and then iran claiming that they have an american drone in its possession and how america is e debunking that claim. >>> and michelle obama, does she have aspirations beyond the mom in chief? lets you hear it... in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. mmm... [ male announcer ] sounds good. it's amazing what soup can do. he opened up jake's very private world. at first, jake's family thought they saved ziggy, but his connection with jake has been a lifesaver. for a love this strong, his family only feeds him iams. compared to other leading brands, it has 50% more animal protein... ...to help keep ziggy's body as strong as a love that reaches further than anyone's words. iams. keep love strong. >>> hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts. topping the agenda, looking for a few good allies. the nation's top executive meeting with top e
obama said tax rates must rise on the wealthiest americans as part of any deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. this morning r the president met with a bipartisan group of governors at the white house. jerry brown was not among them. the group did not endorse any specific proposal on avoiding the sharp tax and spending cuts that could take effect in january. president obama says it's possible that the tax rates could later be lowered as part of a comprehensive tax overhaul. >>> police responding to an early-morning burglary in san jose are surprised at what they found. we'll have exclusive video of the discovery. >>> rosemary's back in about nine minutes to tell you more about the new storm rolling in and when rain will increase in your neighborhood. >>> it's a first of its kind set up in the bay area. ahead with a new solar facility dedicated an hour ago is getting a lot of attention. on your prepaid card? introducing chase liquid. the reloadable card with no fee reloads and withdrawals at chase atms. all for one flat monthly fee so there's zero confusion. get rid of prepaid problems. get cha
, theman some democrats blame for the fiscal cliff impasse, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. and the many ands a finger to about fixing it, michael reagan, founder of the reagan group. i wantto start with the republicans plan that they put on the table. they have been accused of doing nothing and all. they come up with their own plan which inclus 800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes and eliminating deductions and then 1 billion in spendin cuts. it is being rejected from the get go by democrats. grover, what do you say? >> i think the republicans had a very good pl called lorraine budg. they alloted for it in the house. itsaves $6 trillion over the same decade, and they did not raise taxes and all. i really think of the president is not iterested in compromising, and not sure it is wise with the republicans to keep moving in his direction. i suppos it ge you five minutes on the nightly news to say you are being reasonable, but the president keeps saying he jst wants massive tax increase no spendin cus. he wants to increase spending as part of this deal. the pr
or after the government goes over the so-called fiscal cliff "new york times" column us david brooks describes it this way. republicans will be raising middle class tacks in order to serve the rich. shafting sam's club to benefit the country club. if republicans do this, they might as well get mitt romney's 47% comments printed on t-shirts and wear them for the rest of their lives. so republicans have to realize they're going to have to cave on tax rates. the only question is what they get in return. michael steele is former chair of the republican national committee and an msnbc political analyst and steve mcmahon's a democratic strategist. michael, you're on the republican side and what do you think of that? the argument made by brooks which is more sophisticated. make your deal now while you can get something for it because after january 1st you will just be saving your rear end. >> i think he's absolutely right. i think part of that deal should include giving the president what everybody in this town agrees on and that is those middle tax cuts for the middle class out of the bush
shows that 53% of americans say if we go over the fiscal cliff, more blame would fall on republicans in congress. 27% believe the finger would be pointing at president obama. now, the president vowed during his re-election campaign that we would not reach that point but we're -- but we're certainly getting closer. we just learned the president is rejecting the latest counteroffer from republicans. democrats believe they can force republicans to vote on tax increases. house minority leader, nancy pelosi, could be filing the necessary paperwork in a couple of hours. reporting live from washington, d.c., alison burns, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> 7:15. right now, president obama is meeting with a bipartisan group of governors at the white house. reportedly, the governor has requested the meeting with the president. they want to urge president obama to work with congress on a solution to the fiscal cliff. in the afternoon, the same group of governors will meet with john boehner. california governor jerry brown is not among the group. >>> 7:15. the owner of the drake's bay oyster company is p
hospital is with us. give me your concerns or feelings as we approach this fiscal cliff. do you think we'll get a deal done, or are you anticipating we go over the cliff? >> we're americans. we have to get a deal done. this is really important, and it's important for health care. at some point in time, we're going to have to come to grips with the fact there's got to be revenue. you have to have some rate increases, in my opinion. charitable deductions are a non-starter for us. that's a big issue. universities, hospitals, we depend on charity and charitable donations. >> let's stop right there because i want to take one part at a time. the charitable deductions, this is one of those deductions within the tax code that's being debated. that and as well the mortgage deduction. you think that if that incentive to give money away, that incentive to help hospitals, health care, you think people will give less? >> i know that. there's no question in my mind. >> why? >> because people do not want to feel that they're giving and then that deduction is limited. i've had discussions with many of o
tumbling off the fiscal cliff. 22 occupation members of congress came in second to last just ahead of car sales people. 8% of the people polled gave car dwreerls a high rating for standards. members of congress received highest parks from just 10% of the surveyed. senators did a bit better. governors ranked 15th. nurses most trusted professionals followed by pharmacists and doctor autos california legislature welcomed it's largest batch of freshman lawmakers. 39 new legislateors sworn in at the state capitol today. joining a session. democrats have a super majority for the first time since 1883 in this state, holding 29 of 40 seats. john perez promised to reach out to republican minority. >> i want to state your krois vois is welcome, contributions desired and active services needed. >> early focus will be on a special session called next month to debate implementing the president's affordable health care achblgt san francisco and peninsula remembering a passionate public servant, mike nevin died of cancer after 27 years as a police inspector he entered local politics in san mateo county
between them. >> resa sayah, thank you very much. >>> up next, fiscal cliff futility. in 28 days, crippling tax hikes and spending cuts become a painful reality for every american if a deal does not get done. republicans are offering up a counter proposal to what the president offered a counter proposal that calls for $2.2 trillion in deficit savings. it includes $800 billion in tax reforms, 600 billion in medicare reforms and 600 billion in spending cuts. because it doesn't contain tax hikes for the wealthiest americans or specifics about which loopholes will be eliminated, the president immediately rejected the republican proposal. want to know how far apart democrats and republicans are? listen to this. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> it's unfortunate the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> what we can't do is sit here trying to figure out what works for them. >> the president's idea of negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> it's clear to me they made a political calculation. if their ideas are different from ours, we can't guess wha
the republican counteroffer, the proposal to avoid the so called fiscal cliff. it is a $2.2 trillion offer that does not raise the tax rate on the wealthiest americans and that has become the central issue of the negotiations. the white house says republicans still are not ready to get serious. susan mcginnis is in washington with the back and forth details. susan, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, terrell. gop leaders here on capitol hill sent their plan to the white house in this letter on monday, and now that both initial offers are out there, both sides say it's time to get serious. governors from six states are headed here to washington today to tell president obama their thoughts on the fiscal cliff. the bipartisan group says both sides need to work together to avoid the tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end of the year. >> no one's going to get what they want, but as a country to move forward, we've got to figure out who gives where, and if everything is going to be out on the table, how do we negotiate that? >> reporter: republicans have given a co
-called fiscal cliff. >> this weekend on c-span3's "american history tv," follow harry truman's eldest son, as they prepared to mark the dropping of the atomic bomb on 1945. >> i know everyone has their own view. i don't want to argue survival. i think we're past that. i want to do what i can to see that this doesn't happen again. >> clifton truman daniel will join us to discuss the inspiration for his trip sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3. >> a report by the group securing america's future energy says the greatest threat to national and economic security is dependence on foreign oil. members of the group, business political and retired military leaders are suggesting a plan of maximizing oil and gas production, reducing consumption, and improving conservation as a way to boost revenue and reduce our debt. this is a little less than an hour and a half. >> good morning, everyone. thank you all for coming. i especially want to thank the members of the leadership council that could be with us here today. they've been a distinguished group of people working on this issue since 2006. we'r
be to resolve the fiscal cliff position, and then see the american economy, you know, what a fantastic natural advantage is in this huge game change you've got in energy policy to see that economy really take its proper place again. and if that happens, i think that will also, by the way, have an impact on say the eurozone, which is still very, very fragile. >> all the ifs in there. you have written an article, a special to cnn called be bold to escape the economic crisis. that's the headline there. what is the lesson? i mean i think often the big superpowers don't necessarily look to africa, for example, for good lessons on how to strategize. many of those countries, those emerging economies are doing, are growing, at a rate faster than the united states, and favser than many others. >> yes, they're moving ahead very fast as economies. but i think for us efficiently, if you take europe they've got to take some really big decisions now, and as it were, sort out the short-term issues to do with the single currency crisis, and then make the long-term reforms that we're all going to have to make.
, brian. coach, dsw and american eagle a dividend payment ahead of the fiscal cliff. oracle said it was moving up three of its 2013 quarterly payments to this year. that's a nice payday for the ceo larry ellison who will take home about $199 million. the marketplace editor for "the wall street journal," alsos a new father. >> oh, thanks, carl. >> you look way too rested. >> i know. i hope my boy is not watching me, that he's asleep and being a good boy. >> let's talk some dividends -- congratulations. i'm so happy for you. let's talk some dividends. is this for the good of all shareholders or purely a personal decision? >> well, i have to say smoke them if you've got them. right now the market is saying give us our dividends. if you go to the website you'll see a list of dividends and the percentage of insider holdings for those companies that have produced those you see some companies you mention ed where there's not a lot of insider interest. of course there are companies like oracle. larry ellison owns about a quarter that have company where there is substantial personal divid
the fiscal cliff. jessi jessica, thank you. >>> as things stand right now, republicans want to keep all the bush tax cuts, but raise $800 billion by limiting some tax deductions, loopholes, et cetera. they also want to save will the $600 billion by cutting health care spending. the president says the republicans' proposal doesn't work because of the math. he wants to raise $1.6 trillion in taxes, twice as much as the republicans. and he wants to do it mostly by increasing tax rates on the top earners and proposes to cut health care spending by $350 billion. i'm joined by gloria borger. where do we stand on the expiration of the bush era tax cut? >> we are where we are, and what was interesting to me in listening and reading the transcript of that bloomberg interview today with the president, sometimes you have to listen to what the president did not say. of course, he wants the tax rates on the wealthy to go up. did he specify the 39.6% rate of the clinton years? he did not. so is there a little give ultimately to sort of say what if it doesn't go up to 39.6%, but say 37%, is that somet
, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. the republican plan to solve the fiscal cliff is the same one america rejected on november 6th. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> flabbergasted. i said he can't be serious. >> john boehner finally puts a plan on the table. >>> and breaking news the middle class gets the shaft. richard wolffe and molly ball on the republican political theater and the white house response. >>> bob costas issues a common sense plea for gun control in the wake of the kansas city chief murder suicide story. and the right wing just explodes. >> bob costas based on the standards of our society today deserves to be fired for these remarks. bill roden and dan gross respond. >>> corporate profits break records again in the third quarter. we'll tell you what it means for workers. >>> just when you thought it was too early for a horse race -- >> we haven't heard the last of hillary clinton. >> -- i'll ask michael if this was the first campaign video for decision 2016. >> good to have you with us, folks. thanks for watching. john boehner is hanging on to thei
your party, the republicans, some 53 percent say of the fiscal cliff happens, every fall over the edge republicans are to blame. how do you square that? is a year on the right side, trying to do things. yet the public certainly does not see your effort. >> i think one of the things that is so difficult for me is that the media cannot not talking about you in particular. the general media has fallen into this rabbit hole of only talking about this one issue. if we were to give the president what he wants, the panacea. that is the pitfall of our problems. it only funds government for eight days. how can we be serious about staying focused on one thing in not talking about all the other issues. spending is definitely the issue we must do true entitlement reform or they will be here for the people currently. gerri: nobody is talking about that right now. we can't get past the basics to get to entitlements. thank you for coming on. you must come back soon. appreciate your time. >> you're welcome. thank you for having me. gerri: an absolute pleasure. coming up, i will be joined by moneyman w
for these fiscal cliff talks. back to your phone calls. good morning, doris. caller: good morning. the plan that the republicans offered, this is just the romney-ryan plan that the american voters said no to. other than destroying our earned benefit, i do not call them entitlements because we worked hard and we earned them. there are no specifics. what loopholes will they close? of course, they are going to punish the poor and middle- class. their plan still gives another huge tax cut to the 1%. people need to look at what happened to this country between fdr and nixon. look at what happened with the conservative takeover from nixon until now. host: we are going to have congressman tom cole from oklahoma who last week said in a closed-door meeting that they should agree with president obama and extend the tax cuts for middle-class americans and then fight later on for that tax cut for the wealthy. we will ask him about this latest proposal, the counterproposal from the house republicans. j.d. on twitter says -- on our republican , richard from colorado springs, colorado. caller: c-span coul
. it is 27 days until the fiscal cliff. >> u.s. officials say that the white house and its allies are weighing military options to secure serious chemical and biological weapons. this comes after u.s. intelligence reports show that the syrian regimen may be ready and those weapons and may be desperate enough to use them. president barack obama told an audience at the national defense university monday that the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. >> the senate has approved president barack 0 obamas choice to be the top commander in afghanistan. lawmakers cleared the way for general joseph dunford, the assistance command of the marine corp's, to take over as head of the u.s. and coalition forces and afghanistan. alan's nomination is on hold at cs ensnared in the sex scandal that had led to the resignation of the cia director david petraeus. >> here is a quick look at the james freeway. san francisco is clear but it may change by the end of the day. we will have their cup coming up with the forecasts. you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids a
to avert the fiscal cliff. coming up next, i'll talk with a hard-line conservative and let's ask him if he supports his party's proposal. congressman tom price is standing by. but first, as americans worry about what happens after the first of next year, cnn is giving you free advice about your savings account. >>> here on the help desk, we're talking about putting your money to work. with me this hour are greg olson and carmen wong ulrich. tova had a question about her savings. >> it is earning dreadfully low interest for numerous years. and is there anywhere that i can put my money that it's going to do any better? >> and that's going to be like that for a while with the fed doing its thing, right? >> absolutely. i don't think this is a bad thing. if this is your cash emergency savings that you cannot risk, basically what you're paying is very small opportunity cost. like insurance. so let's say you're earning 1% on your savings, right, inflation is eating away at it a little bit. it is certainly a lot lower than having to go into credit card debt because you no cash on hand. you want to
on twitter about the fiscal cliff. he is promoting a reference to the estimated tax increase and middle income families would see if rates are not extended, the latest would extend tax cuts for everyone including americans and who the president wants to exclude. the white house says the proposal is too short on specifics. >> we can't guess what they are, they need to tell us and they look forward to the time when they are specific with the ways we have dealt with it. >> they don't like what republicans want to do to social security and more on that during my next update. reporting live, allison burns, ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> 5:14 in florida, they have released a photo of george zimmerman, showing george zimmerman with a swollen nose and blood did i face. they responded and said it adds nothing new to the case. the volunteer watch man is charged with second-degree murder and his trial is due to begin next june. >>> contra costa police officer was taken to the hospital after an attack. it happened at the college yesterday morning. he was hit in the face with a small metal object.
, then they're going to risk the whole economy in going over the fiscal cliff. i don't think that's sustainable. i don't think people fully understand, what the president is saying is 100% of american families and small businesses get continued tax relief on their first $250,000 in income, and on the income above that amount, higher income people would be paying the same rates they did during the clinton administration, which is four more cents on the dollar. and, again, i don't think that's at all unreasonable. the president talked about this at length during the presidential campaign, and i believe -- i think people like tom cole, a conservative republican in oklahoma had it right when he warned his colleagues they would look totally obstructionist if they allowed that to happen. >> congressman, also included in the president's plan was that $200 billion in new stimulus measures. mention the word stimulus to republicans, and, well, they're not too happy with that word. so why do that? why deliberately like -- it seems like it was a deliberate poke in the side. >> no, carol. this
over for the fiscal cliff. the republican plan has will00 billion for tax freerm 900 billion in mandatory spending cuts and 300 billion in discretionary cuts. the proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >>> we understand they don't agree with everything the president has put on the table but we haven't seen alternatives for that. they have spoken about an avenue and that challenge is welcome. republican leaders have been adamant they don't believe rates ought to go up on the top 2 percent of wealthiest americans. the american people overwhelmingly disagree. the rates have to rise and republicans need to acknowledge that. >> the major difference between the two sides is over taxing on the rich. obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthy. obama wants to eliminate deductions and close loopholes plus cut spending for entitlement programs. the president has said there can't be tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the domestic program which is frustrating for some republicans. >> this president, i think the president with president obama he
the nation fall off the fiscal cliff. >> republicans need to acknowledge reality here. rates have to go up. earlier in the presidency, obama warneded it could hurt the economy. >> the nation is no longer in recession. and american manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. the president is concerned enough that he proposed tens of billions in new stimulus spending in the debt talks. >> what is the justification for raising taxes? >> the fact of the matter is that it's vitally important that we extent and the president's view make permanent tax cuts for 98% of the american people. >> the president would like to see it done tomorrow and would sign it right away. >> they will put for ending deduction and closing loopholes. >> republicans move a great deal. who was the first person after the election was the speaker who went down and provided the re-knew. >> they blasted the proposal to limit deductions to tell bloomberg television it's unrealistic. >> that means every hospital and university and non-for profit, the agency. across the country would find themselves
washington bickers over the fiscal cliff and who's going to pay more in taxes, in great britain, lawmakers are telling some american companies it is time to start paying their fair share there in the uk. even throwing around terms such as shame, outrageous when talking about it. executives from google, amazon, and starbucks all appeared before a parliamentary committee looking into how international companies minimize the tax they pay in the uk. richard quest is in london to explain it all. now, richard, not necessarily talking about tax evasion here. it's more like avoidance, minimization, what's the concern? >> reporter: that's exactly the point. the companies are not breaking the law, not doing anything wrong. the accounts committee described their actions as immoral claiming they have r. so arranging their tax affairs so as to pay no tax in the country where the money is earned. this applies to google, which uses ireland, applies to amazon, on the continent, and it applies to starbucks in amsterdam. what we learned is how these companies arrange their affairs. so even though the latte
rather we went over the fiscal cliff? >> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if w went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending. melissa: absolutely but i'm not sure republicans are giving in as much as you think. ifou drill down on the details, as soon as i saw 800 billion in new x revenue, my immediate question did they give on the point of marginal rat d from the language it doesn't look like. more a tax code basically closes loopholes. they employ all the euphemisms to say you will get rid of deductions. sounds like that is where the 800 billion in new revenue isoming from. they didn't give on marginal rates at all. >> that is good news but only good news in the nse we're not traveling as
a counteroffer to president obama in the opening round of negotiations to avoid the fiscal cliff. the gop says its proposal would save $800 billion through tax reform. $900billion in mandatory spending cuts, and $300 billion in discretionary cuts. it does not increase tax rates on upper income americans which the white house insists must be included in any deal. >>> on wall street stocks lost ground. nasdaq dropped 8 points. analysts point to a decline in manufacturing, and ongoing worries over the fiscal cliff. >>> what some hoped would be a historic announcement on life on mars didn't amount today. project scientists said soil tests performed by the curiosity rover only showed organic compounds. no proof yet that life existed, or could exist on the red planet. the scientists created big expectations by saying it would be one for the history books. today they said they were only referring to the richness of the data coming from the rover. ♪ [ music ] of course. >>> live storm tracker 2 picking up showers north of us. these showers are going to work their way south. the computer model shows
to do in the short term is avoid the fiscal cliff. the major decisions with regard to tax reform, social insurance programs, et cetera, can't and shouldn't be made until next year, after the american people are engaged and the committees do their work. >> david gergen, how do you get the political solution that opens the door to the policy conversations? >> well, i was encouraged that the republicans actually came forward with something today. a lot of people thought they would not. the president as you know, his team rejected it late this afternoon, but nonetheless, if people truly want to find a bridge to avoid the fiscal cliff, a way to get to the big issues as david walker says would have to come next year, i think they're the makings of it here. each side will have to compromise some more. each side will have to eat a little crow but i think it's imperative that the president take the view that what he's looking for is a win-win. if they take a win-win approach, i think they can get a deal. >> comment on that point. if two wrongs don't make a right but the two nonstarters maybe make
not be sitting around twiddling our thumbs. the clock is running. we face a fiscal cliff. there are some in this chamber who have said, oh, we need to go off of it. we'll go off of it. we'll pay the price and then we'll finally sit down and do what's right. i would, with all due respect, say that's pretty stupid. >> that was some blunt talk from my next guest, republican senator from georgia, johnny isaacson. that was two and a half weeks ago. the more things change, the more they stay the same. both the president and house republicans have offered their own solutions to the fiscal cliff. but we're no closer to a deal. joining me now is senator isa isaacson. good morning, senator isaacson. i assume you stand by what you said just two weeks ago. so let me ask you this. the initial offer by speaker boehner, is it fair to say -- is it fair that the white house is calling it an unserious offer since it doesn't do anything on tax rates? >> no, i dent think so at all. i think it's more reflective of a simpson-bowles. it's a first step. i made a living selling houses for 33 years. i don't get p
the national dialog is focused on the fiscal cliff which has the potential to significantly affect state budgets many governors are also tackling the implementation of obama care. starting in 2014 medicaid will be expanded to all americans within 138% of the poverty line, which is individuals making $15,000 a year or less, give health care to as many as 21 million additional americans. eight governors including one of those at the white house today, oklahoma republican governor mary fallin are rejecting the offer, concerned their states may have to foot the bill down the road. the president was sure to have some thoughts following their pow wow at the white house. the six governors are on to meet with house speaker john boehner and senate majority leader harry reid this afternoon, also sure to have some thoughts. joy, the medicare question is really interesting in terms of how the governors play this one. in so far as, if you're a republican governor and offered the federal -- the federal government says it's going to cover i believe 100% of the cost of expanding the rolls from 2014 to 2
shows republicans will take the blame if a deal isn't reached and we go over the fiscal cliff. 53% say it's on republicans. half that, 27%, will blame the president. this is progress. this is change. if president obama can break republicans on tax increases, this could redefine american politics. it would help to change our politics in very important ways. and who knows what else may be possible. joining me now is krystal ball and richard wolffe. thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> thanks, reverend. krystal, how big a moment will it be if the president gets the republicans to cave on tax increases? >> i mean, it really is sort of hard to understate how significant that would be. it would es seshlgsentially mar end of when george w.h. bush led taxes. we had the contract for america. that in some ways was the precursor of the tea party and this very extreme rhetoric, us versus them rhetoric, where rather than talking about nuance differences between positions you call the president's health care bill socialism and yell about death panels and caricature things. that
: and president obama flatly turning down a republican counteroffer in the fiscal cliff negotiations. so now what? house majority whip kevin mccarthy joins us next. >> he wants to break the back of republicans. this is a continuation of his campaign. he thinks he won it, and now he wants to drive a stake through the republicans. it's all about politics, it's nothing about economickings. dre. one is for a clean, domestic energy future that puts us in control. our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development comes with some risk, we're committed to safely and responsibly producing natural gas. it's not a dream. america's natural gas... putting us in control of our energy future, now. ♪ but the fire is so delightful ♪ nothing melts away the cold like a hot, delicious bowl of chicken noodle soup from campbell's. ♪ let it snow, let it snow bill: we have new video released by police here in new york city of the moments before a man was pushed off a times square subway
in with the fiscal cliff. what we will spend money on and how we were tightened our belts. >> the major place it fits is the right policy would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue. that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't
for averting the fiscal cliff. the republican plan seeks $800 billion through tax reform and mandatory spending cuts. the white house said that the republican proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >> we understand they don't agree with everything but we have not seen alternatives for them and they spoke about the need for revenue and that acknowledgment is welcome. but thus far republicann leaders are adament don't believe rates should go up on the top two percent of the american people. the american people disagree. rates have to rise and the republicans need to acknowledge that. >> that's the major difference between the two sides. tax hikes for the rich x. republicans want tax reform and eliminate deductions and closing the loop holes. the president said on twitter, there can't be tax cuts at the rich at the expense of domestic programs. >> the biggest problem with president obama is he is a small-pinded president in big times . he talk about 35-39 that doesn't get us out of debt. >> that is tough rhetoric for senator lindd say graham. the president
as part of a balanced approach to deficit reduction and the fiscal cliff. he will not accept a deal that has specific cuts in spending, in entitlement programs that asks middle class americans, seniors who need loans, disabled children to pay a price on the one hand, and the promise, the vague promise, the unspecified promise of a revenue that appears from wealthier americans in the future. that's not a deal the president will not sign. >> i understand the process and what the white house is looking for from republicans, but i'm asking about the president's position. a yes-or-no question. his position that the tax rate has to go to 39.6% on january 1. >> he will not sign the bush tax cuts for wealthy americans. they have rates for top earners at 35%. if you don't sign it, it's up to 39.6 #, the top rate. that's a fact. secondly, he has not seen a single proposal or acknowledgement that a proposal is necessary or will be forthcoming from republicans that even it would be part of the balanced deal. we are now where we are in december, and we need congress, republican leaders in congre
the fiscal cliff. eye roncally enough, something the house of representatives passed last may. in april set out a tax plan. in may passed a sequestration plan, went to the senate and said we're going to see you in the lame duck time period. we're in the lame duck and this had has to be solved. we have to solve the problem. the first thing is to define what the problem even is. it seems one group is talking about the real problems, the fiscal cliff, and the other group is talking about the real problem, the debt and deficit. what is the real issue? we have $16.3 trillion in debt as a nation. $1 trillion of overspending or each year for the last four years. let me set the example of what this really means. in 2007, our tax revenue, how much we were bringing in the treasury, is almost exactly what it is in 2012. from 2007 to 2012, the revenue is almost identical. the difference is our spending has gone up $1 trillion a year. from 2007 to 2012. so over the course of that time it's slowly built up. but each year we've been over $1 trillion in spending. while our revenue has stayed consistent bas
released his counterproposal on the fiscal cliff that grover norquist is still very much in charge of the republican party. republicans said once again that they were absolutely unwilling to raise tax rates on the wealthiest of americans. even though they were adopted in 2001 as a temporary measure only because we had a surplus. they were temporary because ten years later, we might have a surplus. we might need the money. that's exactly the situation is today. but sadly, it is not grover norquist or mitt romney or mitch mcconnell that's running the republican party. it is still a big lobbyist by the name of grover norquist. have a good one folks!
from falling off the fiscal cliff. it's time for democrats to come to the table with something more than job-killing taxes. if they have serious ideas for entitlement reform, the american people deserve to hear them. unfortunately, mr. speaker, the reason we haven't heard democrat ideas for entitlement reform may be because they have no plans to cut or reform entitlement spending at all. this is just another game from their playbook. raise taxes and increase spending, as always. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the house will come to order. the house will come to order. will members please take their conversations off the floor. are there any more "for one minutes? -- for one minutes? any more requests for one minutes? the gentleman from texas. without objection. mr. poe: on christmas day most of us will wake up with our families, smell of turkey in the often, homemade apple pie. but on the other side of the world there are men and women who will wake up in the middle of the desert who are representing and protecting america's liberty. those a
be throwing gas on the fire. this is an emporer with no clothes. when we were pushed to fiscal cliff it was because john boehner promised something to the president and could not get members of his caucus do the right thing for the american people. >> i don't think we should be putting more gas on the karl what you're saying when your enemy is committing suicide, don't step in and interrupt? >> jennifer: break out the popcorn and sit back and watch the fight. a right on right fight. >> they're the ones who are responsible. don't blame us. >> what you risk about allowing them to fight with each other is going over the fiscal cliff and plunging us into another recession. when i say put gas on the fire, we cannot sit here and wait for them to self-destruct. it does not get the job done in washington. what gets the job in washington is standing up loud and proud and look at what they're doing to us. if we don't do that, we will squander another opportunity to show the american people that democrats are doing what is right for the working class in this country, and republicans are standin
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